Everyman Resident Company Member Deborah Hazlett stars as Kate Keller in All My Sons,
her 20th role with the company. Recently, fellow Resident Company
Member Bruce Nelson sat down with Deborah for a one-on-one conversation
about her experiences at Everyman, working as a professional actor, and
her favorite roles and productions. Thank you to Deborah and Bruce for taking the time to do this!
Bruce: 20th anniversary…20th show for you…Do you have a thought about that?
Deborah: You know I didn’t even realize until I transferred my bio – I was typing out my bio to send to David and I thought, do I have everything? Let me count. And then I saw, wow 20 shows at Everyman? I told Vinny the next day at rehearsal and he said, this is our 20th anniversary! I didn’t think of it.
B: To have that kind of history in one place is unique for an actor.
D: I think even more so now since companies don’t happen so much any more. It’s a little surreal to me, I couldn’t believe there were 20 when I counted them, but there they were! And then that made me think back to my first show there.
B: Which was?
D: My first show here was Cat on a Hot Tin Roof.
B: And was it shortly after that when you became a company member?
D: Yes. A year later, I think.
B: Does the first show at Everyman count as your favorite?
D: It was an interesting show and I really loved working on that show but…I have favorites but all of them at Everyman have been very special and very meaningful.
B: They’re like children, how can one be better than another?
D: It’s true. I have had some pretty profound experiences. Road to Mecca was such a special one. Watch on the Rhine was special and powerful, with what was going on in the world then. Frankie and Johnny, Hedda, Sideman and then doing our first Chekhov – Uncle Vanya.
B: So, one of the questions was, being a part of the company and Vinny directing you – is he the director you have worked the most with at any theatre?
D: Yes! I have worked with many directors more than once, but I’ve never done 20 with one.
B: Can you talk about the family feel of working with someone who knows you like this? They really know you!
D: Vinny knows me as an actor, and as a person…he knows me like anyone who has known you for 13 years. It is such a gift that it is hard to put into words. Because of Vinny and his faith in me and our belief in each other, I have the gift to be able to do dream work. A woman I was working with recently told me, you’ve done so many interesting roles, and you know what? That’s Vinny. That’s Vinny saying, What are you thinking about? I think this would be good for you – even if I haven’t heard of it. Sideman, for example.
B: So does that mean that you aren’t the kind of actor who has a bucket list and goes to Vinny and says “let’s do this.”?
D: I wish I were better at it! That’s a business part I’m not very good at. During a production I saw of The Cherry Orchard, an environmental, outside production, I was calling Vinny at intermission going, “He’s chopping down a tree, a real tree! And he’s chopping it down!” Vinny got these messages and had no idea what I was talking about. He didn’t know I was at a production of The Cherry Orchard! I came to him and said, can we please do this show? And eventually we did get to do The Cherry Orchard. It took a while of course, and there’s so much that goes into season planning.
B: He’s like a scientist in his lab.
D: It’s all about the business and what makes everything work. But we did eventually get to do it. And I think Vinny is very open to his company coming to him with ideas and saying whatever it is you want to do. Whether we get to or not is a whole other thing. I think he is very interested in what we’re passionate about. I’m so glad we have done our first Shakespeare, and I want to do more, especially in the new space. The challenges are that you’re with people who know you so well. We develop a short hand as a company. People coming in might find that unexpected. There’s a loop that they’re outside of. So that has its blessings and challenges. What I want to try to do is to be careful to enjoy the freedom of that communication and of being a colleague and not a cog in a wheel and also to enjoy and be respectful of everyone else’s process.
B: It’s good to know that you have a healthy give and take with the fellow company members.
D: Yes. You have to love each other and respect each other enough to know that if there is a point of contention, it will be worked out. There’s not damage that is done.
B: Is Kate Keller(her current role in All My Sons) in profound denial? Is she unstable? Does it matter that either of these gets answered?
D: Those are really good questions. I do not believe she is in profound denial. I believe Joe is. And I do not think that Kate is unstable. Vinny and I have had so many conversations about this. Vinny the other day said, I think she is living with three and a half years of the weight of Joe’s transgression. I think she is symptomatic of a bad system, so she is the noise-y one so she looks unstable. I agree that she looks a little off to people who don’t understand what she’s dealing with, but as an actor I can never think about whether my charatcre is crazy or not. It’s a rare thing to find a true crazy person who actually thinks they are crazy. If you’re able to self reflect like that, you’re probably better off than you think you are. Someone during Hedda yelled onstage at me “you’re a psycho!” when I took the script and burned it, people did not like that. In playing unlikeable characters, I have learned to really embrace not being concerned with what the audience thinks about me. My only concern is do they understand what is happening which is very different than do they like me. And I often play unlikeable characters. Early on in my work I think I cared if people liked me as a character. As Claire in Proof, people would come up to me and say “I so loved Claire, I totally understand her, I have a younger sister who is irresponsible. And then the next person would say “I can’t believe what a bitch Claire is. I have a controlling older sister.” It’s so wonderful how cathartic a character can be. It’s about the projection of the audience’s life experience on the character, we always do the same thing. I love that a character can bring so much out of an audience member based on their life experience
B: You have your Masters, MFA in Acting from University of South Carolina. Under their core principles on the website it says that they have insatiable artistic curiosity. Would that apply to you?
D: I graduated in 1995. I just met the new chair there. He was directing Henry VIII at Folger when I was doing Hamlet there and I realized it was him. Such a small theatre world. Insatiable artistic curiosity…I think I have that. I want to know what every moment is and I don’t want to leave one moment out. We were just working on 10 lines today in rehearsal and a lot happens in those 10 lines. Why do I say “Chris! Chris!” Why do I say “Go to the street, Joe.” Each of those are separate actions, it’s not a blur of an idea. And when I get something that I feel connects, I swear I have a little bell that goes off, a little “ding!”. I haven’t had a lot of those bells quite yet for Kate. When that happens though, it’s astounding, I know I’m right. And what I’m most curious about is how it happens because it does not feel that I make a plan. It feels literally like something just drops into my body or something just happens and then the character starts to speak. Very mystical process for me. It sometimes happens earlier, sometimes later. I feel her come on. My body changes, my voices changes, characteristics I am not choosing to develop.
B: There are books out there about the idea of “flow.” Especially with athletes in a “zone.” Things are happening and you don’t know where they are coming from or what they mean.
D: I think you have to allow as well, you can’t block it as an actor.
B: So given the women you have played and given what you have learned over the years, do you have a style? Does defining it even matter?
D: You know, somebody might externally tell you I have a style. If I do, I’m not aware of it. I do find myself very lucky to play Agnus in BUG, a crack cocaine addicted, smoking, down on her luck woman living in a trailer and to play Hedda. To play Frankie and to play Candida. I have been very lucky with the range I have played. I just played something completely different for me. Completely physically different than me. She came on every night, and then she left. I didn’t have much control. I don’t know where she came from.
B: A director told me I was very angular in style. I know that I probably skew to the sentimental, the soft and wistful, the what might-have-been plays. But I also love the craziness of other plays.
D: And you’re really good at both of them! The only thing I can think about is to go after every moment until I understand it, stay open to whatever happens on stage. Rehearsal is not the most fun for me – it’s hard, it’s challenging it’s stressful, it’s upsetting often. But performance, once you have done the work, then you just step out on stage and allow whatever happens on that night. Open yourself up. That is my favorite part.
B: When I read about your Best of Baltimore award, they referenced Claire, your Arcadia role and your understated comic ability. Would you agree that when it comes to comedy, you play an understated angle?
D: It depends..sometimes I think I should carry a sign around saying, I’m funny! Can I please do some comedies! I love comedy. I think have some ability there. I think I’m really interested in character driven comedy. Just when it so happens to be funny because of what the character is doing and I think that is where my ability lies.
B: Carrie in the Pavilion talks about the “what might have been” theme. What are your “what might have been’s”? Is there a play that might speak to that? It’s so hard to separate the character and Bruce.
D: I think that’s why you’re such a brilliant actor! I was moved in Irma Vep! Laughs. I think you’re brilliant.
B: Thank you, I appreciate that.
D: I think if you’re being honest as an actor, the only way is to use yourself. If people are not willing to do that, then they are not willing to be vulnerable. If I onstage were to play Carrie right now, that is a question that opens such a soft, round pink place in my soul that I would have to treat it very tenderly so I don’t fall into a mush of what might have been. The might-have-beens at 47 are numerous. The what is and what ares are glorious! So the mix of the two of these powerful gifts is something that at 20 I would have never expected. I honor and treasure and value the might-have-beens as much as the what ares in my life now.
B: Since you can’t play on stage what-might-have-been, what gets played?
D: You have to play an action, you can’t play a condition. When you play a condition, you are so lost. Nobody likes watching you cry. We want to know, why are you crying? What are you trying to get that you aren’t getting that causes the frustration of tears? At rehearsal the other day we said there are only two emotions in the world – love and fear. So you get anger based on being fearful. You aren’t born angry. A lot of actors these days play a condition, a state of emotion. My director in Hamlet recently said to an actor, I see you playing a condition. If you have an action, the emotion will follow. You can’t play the what might have beens. You have to realize in that moment that you never had that child. Your action is to convince someone you never wanted a child anyway. Or to plead with someone to try one more time to give you that child. Whatever it is that you’re after, that’s what has to resonate. It can’t resonate as an emotional condition in and of itself.
B: Do you know that Hedda has been referred to, in general, as the female Hamlet? Had you heard that before? How do you think that applies?
D: I had not heard that. I think the playing of Hedda can take out of you what the playing of Hamlet does. Playing Hedda was VERY very challenging. It’s not the most challenging, that would be Agnus in Bug, both physically, emotionally and spiritually. Becca in Rabbit Hole nearly took me under. It’s hard to recover from, I would feel her in my life. Really feeling Becca made me feel lost all the time – and for personal reasons also. Hedda is rigorous. It’s period, it’s style, she’s brilliant. She’s lost and alone and fighting against that all the time.
B: Candida has a theme of what a woman desires and looks for in a husband. What are those things and do you find those to be true in your leading men? How does this theme come into your real life?
D: I don’t want to tell the story of Candida, but yes that is the question in Candida. This woman of a certain age is drawn to this poet because he thinks she is the most miraculous and perfect woman he’s ever met.…the husband is so revered, unavailable and controlled. Opening that up and seeing what happens when these three people come together in this perfect storm. I believe that finding a partner who doesn’t think you’re scary and is open to your heart and soul and gifts and foibles, thinks you’re funny sometimes, or can laugh in the perfect moment of tension, where there’s either going to be a fight or both people are going to burst our laughing. I believe that I have been lucky enough to stumble into a pretty extraordinary connection that I’m grateful for every day. What I want in a leading man is a kind person, a REALLY skilled actor who has got some big acting chops, who is not afraid of me or anything else in the rehearsal room, whatever happens happens, and someone who can play with whatever happens on stage that night, you hear it, you see it
B: I just told my improv students that if you want your partner to be a genius on stage, treat them like one! Don’t think that you have all the answers and they have none and you don’t have to listen to them.
D: Such a good lesson. I think one of the great things about Everyman and the company is that not only do you work there, but you work other places. And to me it’s so important to go out and work at other places and see what’s happening in that rehearsal hall with that director and those actors which hopefully makes me a stronger company member since those work ethics are different, the process is different, you can bring some of that home (I think Everyman is home) and contribute, I hope!
B: I’m going to name an Everyman show, will you give the first word that pops into your head? Ones that you have been in.
D: Oh sure, I’ll try!
B: Much Ado?
D: You know, this is going to be challenging for me not to edit myself! A lot of fun!
B: Pavilion?
D: Heart-breaking
B: Candida
D: Challenging
B: Hedda
D: I loved her
B: Road to Mecca
D: It’s very hard to find a word or a thought but…probably the most extraordinary experience I have ever had onstage
B: Frankie and Johnnie
D: Wowww…that was a wild ride!
B: Rabbit Hole
D: Be very careful of the roles you say you want to play! Laughs
B: Sight Unseen
D: Oh! A ping pong match!
B: Delicate Balance
D: Unfinished
B: Voir Dire
D: I was so green…
B: Cat on a Hot Tin Roof
D: (long pause) a surprise
B: Cherry Orchard
D: A word doesn’t come, but strong feelings come for this one. Gretia, the name of the son, is what comes to mind.
B: Betrayal
D: That was a wicked, wicked play!
B: Vanya
D: Mitchell Herbert’s face
B : Crucible
D: laughs – a sneeze! I come on stage and we’re all so dramatical, the witches are moaning and dying…I come in and Giles tells the story of the pig and everyone loves Giles. Then later John, Kyle Prue, is in the cell and I go to him and I say “Giles is” and Kyle sneezes, “dead.” Laughs hysterically. I know that no one knows what I just said and Kyle just looks at me, the whole audience didn’t hear what I said, Kyle turns to me, gives me a look, and I say “dead” again. Somehow we got through it. I think of that moment!
B: And didn’t I, as Hale, always call you “Mister”? It was one of my early shows there, I was so nervous!
D: I was playing Elizabeth and you called me “Mister” a few times as I recall! Laughs
B: Let’s talk about narrating the books versus acting on stage and also the Baltimore versus New York theatre scene.
D: Narrating takes enormous concentration and focus. You’re usually in a tiny booth for 6 hours. You’ve been talking for 6 hours so the quality of your voice changes. The microphone picks up vocal tension. Your concentration just goes. And really you’re just cold reading! No matter how much you prepare. It’s a 400 page novel. The acting of it is very delightful but very cinematic, your voice is very transparent. It’s not stage acting, it’s film acting for books. What’s so fascinating is making the characters is so much fun! I know exactly what they look like in my mind. I pick a color for each of them. I will put a little colored dot next to their name, then I knew who was speaking and the color would trigger for me everything about that character – what they would sound like and look like and how they moved. I had a lot of fun with that.
I spent a year in LA, so glad I did it but would never want to do it again. Now I never have to wonder what it would be like in LA. I spent 6 years on and off in New York. I have a wonderful agent who I adore. It is a very different ball game in NY than in Baltimore/DC. Everything is changing though, a lot of people are coming from New York. I know the market is changing a lot. In NY you might go to work 4 times a year in a different theatre where no one knows you, you get a new start every time you go in. You don’t bring baggage. That can be so empowering and you learn so much about yourself. The downside of that is you don’t get to bring your little bag of goodies with you and work with everyone you love and care about! We as actors need to protect ourselves and our business. We need to be respected as business people. We are making our lives and financial lives work.
B: Everyman is such a home for you. It’s a safe cushion for you.
D: I don’t know if I would be doing what I’m doing if it weren’t for Everyman. I get re-inspired there. I remember the love that theatre is about – very corny but true. I remember why I knew in third grade that this is what I was going to do. I went to see Godspell at Ford’s Theatre when I was very young and I knew that’s what I wanted to do. And bless my parents for putting me into summer workshops and I knew it.
B: Brilliant. Thank you, Deb.
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